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Debate 18: Faith In Humanity (#1: Homosexuality)
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| Ronald |
Posted on 08/09/2012 23:56:54
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This is the first of various Faith In Humanity threads. So, the first question is:
What is your thought on Homosexuality?
Do you think Homosexuality is bad, or incorrect?
What is your opinion on discriminating people who are Homosexual?
Do you think Homosexuality should be considered an insult? As in, calling someone "gay" or anything related, for any reason, just to insult them?
Please treat everyone's opinion with respect. Just to be clear: I do not wish for this thread, or anything said in it, to offend anyone. Please do not feel this way, I just wish to know what people's thoughts on this topic are, and if Faith in Humanity will ever be restored.
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| Mator |
Posted on 08/10/2012 01:29:45
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Oooooh delicate topic eh? I don't know if I'm gonna dig into this one just yet. I'd like to see the lay of the land before presenting my own views, so long as no one calls me out as being selfish for doing so...
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| tim |
Posted on 08/10/2012 02:02:57
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I myself am not homosexual but that in no way means that I hate homosexual people.
In fact homosexual people are people who happen to have different sexual preference than I do and I cannot stop them from what is simply natural. They are human beings as well and they deserve to be respected and treated just as well as a person who is not homosexual.
I do not believe homosexuality is bad, incorrect, evil, disgusting, immoral, satanic, etc. I believe it is just a natural way of how us as human beings prefer who we choose to engage sexual behavior with whether it be with man, woman, or both.
People who discriminate homosexual people in a terrible manner (such as calling them f*gs or other derrogatory terms) are not real people but spawns of hate who are to ignorant to accept that there are other humans out there that aren't like them so they choose to be hateful and treat them like aliens. Those people have no acceptance therefore I cannot accept people who lack basic human emotion. Discriminating anybody whether race or sexuality is retarded and just plain unhuman.
As for using the term "gay" as in "that's so gay" or "your a f*g" then no it shouldn't be used in those terms. In fact the original definition for gay was to be happy and the original definition for f*g is a bundle of sticks. But I guess our society takes those two words out of context to often. |
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 08/10/2012 06:19:54
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I need to go out but I wanted to post here first.
There as and never has been anything wrong with homosexuality. People hate it because they fear it, because they're different or because of religious reasons. The latter is the one that pisses me off most. You keep going on about your loving, caring, merciful God and then you say that he's going to send someone to burn for all eternity cos they liked other guys?
For the record, I'm straight.
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| Sinder |
Posted on 08/10/2012 06:36:53
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I'm straight......
I don't hate homosexuality, I actually think their kind and respectfull. I don't think there different to straight people.
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| ZA BlackAdder |
Posted on 08/10/2012 07:15:06
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imo ppl who dont like homosexuals r very close minded and mostly very religious, having said discrimination is never good so it shouldnt be allowed, but imo ppl who dont like them shouldnt be discriminated also (unless they r causing harm). Ppl should just let other ppl live in peace.
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| ninja |
Posted on 08/10/2012 09:34:01
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I don't see any reason to treat homosexuality differently to heterosexuality.
Tragic things happen when you attempt to discriminate or 'correct' homosexuality. One example that springs to mind is that of Alan Turing. Turing, a brilliant mathematician, who was arguably the founder of computer science, helped to crack the German Enigma code during WWII. Without him, and others at Bletchley Park, we might not have won the war.
Turing was also homosexual - the British Government found out and convicted him of 'public indecency' or something of the sort. His penalty was to take 'correction' drugs/hormones. He went into a serious depression and ended up taking his own life.
Discrimination against others based on their sexuality is not only irrational, it's also immoral.
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 08/10/2012 11:57:08
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It's not a delicate topic, society makes it a delicate topic because society now-a-days are too soft. Have you noticed when people start panicking when you talk about bombs and murder? That happens every day around the world. People in society need to grow the f**k up.
Homosexuality is a human that is messed up in the head, which are usually caused by the way they were raised was wrong, a tragic event happened that messed up their brain and caused them to be like that, also the environment (people they hang out with, areas they hang out at, etc.). Also it can be a choice, some people are actually homosexual just to defy their parents, or society, just to stand out, or be part of a group because they belong no where else.
But God said to treat every human being equal, because we are all humans. I learned to love every human, because why would God send them to hell? Even if they lived a good life, without hurting people. I believe also with Atheists God would forgive them, because it was not their fault for not believing in him due to environment they were around in their life.
I used to hate them, remember where I came from. I used to see them get decapitated in front of me. There was never any homosexuals in my town, at all. Oh and this actually stopped crime and prostitution in my town. Very peaceful. |
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 08/10/2012 12:22:46
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Homosexuality means there's something wrong with your head? No, absolutely not. It's as natural as heterosexuality, though less common since natural selection tends to get in the way.
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 08/10/2012 12:29:46
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The Hat of Love wrote:
Homosexuality means there's something wrong with your head? No, absolutely not. It's as natural as heterosexuality, though less common since natural selection tends to get in the way.
Please re-read Hat. I don't want you to think bad on how I think =/
ZA BrickSquad wrote:
Homosexuality is a human that is messed up in the head, which are usually caused by the way they were raised was wrong, a tragic event happened that messed up their brain and caused them to be like that, also the environment (people they hang out with, areas they hang out at, etc.). Also it can be a choice, some people are actually homosexual just to defy their parents, or society, just to stand out, or be part of a group because they belong no where else. |
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 08/10/2012 12:31:46
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Hm, but you make it sound like it isn't natural.
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 08/10/2012 12:38:26
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I'm not 100% if it is or not. I need to ask God why are there's homosexuals. Just giving my honest answer.
But is it that hard to like the opposite sex? I know people want to live a different lifestyle but still. The point is to reproduce and teach our children to become better than their parents.
Edit: What do you mean by natural, in what way?
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 08/10/2012 12:44:00
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I mean that some people are born and grow up and like the opposite sex and some people are born and grow up and like the same sex. Simple as that. It's not a disease, it's not a rebellion or something wrong with them, it's not like they decide 'hey, I'm gonna be gay' it's just the way they are. Nothing wrong with that.
And the point of life in my eyes is just to enjoy yourself. There's no contract that says you have to reproduce. Hey, lots of straight people don't have children, for whatever reason.
'How hard is it to like the opposite sex?' Well if you're gay the point is that you don't. By definition, they find it quite hard. That's like asking you how hard it is to like the same sex. Well I'm guessing you just don't.
People don't become gay because 'they want a different lifestyle' or something. They're not just shunning the opposite sex for fun.
Edited by The Hat of Love on 08/10/2012 12:45:02
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| rosario |
Posted on 08/10/2012 12:49:35
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I have no problem with homosexual people I dont hate them I just think its wrong.
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 08/10/2012 13:00:59
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How do you know if they were born like that? And not the environmental factors around them?
If they are born like that, there must be a chemical imbalance in the brain? |
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 08/10/2012 13:11:41
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I don't know that but it seems strongly logical, right? What kind of environment turns people gay? And why does that same environment not turn everyone inside it gay? Because that's just the way they were born.
I'm not sure what a 'chemical imbalance' is or if you're sure what one is either but what you're saying, I think, is that if there is an imbalance, that means something is wrong with their head... and I really feel strongly that homosexuality does not mean there is anything wrong with them. Not wrong, simply different.
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| tim |
Posted on 08/10/2012 14:19:59
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ZA BrickSquad wrote:
It's not a delicate topic, society makes it a delicate topic because society now-a-days are too soft. Have you noticed when people start panicking when you talk about bombs and murder? That happens every day around the world. People in society need to grow the f**k up.
Homosexuality is a human that is messed up in the head, which are usually caused by the way they were raised was wrong, a tragic event happened that messed up their brain and caused them to be like that, also the environment (people they hang out with, areas they hang out at, etc.). Also it can be a choice, some people are actually homosexual just to defy their parents, or society, just to stand out, or be part of a group because they belong no where else.
But God said to treat every human being equal, because we are all humans. I learned to love every human, because why would God send them to hell? Even if they lived a good life, without hurting people. I believe also with Atheists God would forgive them, because it was not their fault for not believing in him due to environment they were around in their life.
I used to hate them, remember where I came from. I used to see them get decapitated in front of me. There was never any homosexuals in my town, at all. Oh and this actually stopped crime and prostitution in my town. Very peaceful.
I personally do not believe homsexuality is a mental illness. In fact many psychological health organizations say so otherwise.
I also personally believe that being homosexual is not a choice you are born that way. People who choose to be homosexual like in the instance of "being different" or "rebelling against parents" are just using the term of being homosexual to gain attention or to rebel, not because they personally or strongly desire members of the same sex.
Here's a video that should sum up what I'm trying to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMjXucTFaM
I hope my opinions aren't offending anybody. :\ |
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| tim |
Posted on 08/10/2012 14:34:09
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ZA BrickSquad wrote:
How do you know if they were born like that? And not the environmental factors around them?
If they are born like that, there must be a chemical imbalance in the brain?
When a women is pregnant, they usually percieve the male fetus as a foreign object and the body naturally produces antibodies to try and combat the supposed "infestation". With every male the woman gives birth to, it is more of the likely hood that they will be homosexual for the antibodies produce feminize the fetus more and more. Which is why some scientists look at birth order as a reason for why one might be homosexual. In every succesive male, the likelyhood of them being homosexual slowly increases with every male the woman gives birth to.
Of course, this is just a scientific theory and in no ways prove anything yet, but it strongly supports the idea that one is born homosexual. Read up on some of Anthony Bogaert PhD articles and research, it's actually quite intersting.
Here's a wiki article to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation |
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 08/10/2012 14:48:00
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Here's a graph I found against religious reasons.
Edited by The Hat of Love on 08/10/2012 14:52:24
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Posted on 08/10/2012 15:34:28
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