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Naturally mean?
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Debate 13: Pitbulls
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Posted on 04/29/2012 14:12:48
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I am having this debate with some one on facebook. So what is your opinion on it?

Are they naturally mean?

Do they have it in their blood to be mean?

Do you have to train them to be mean?

Do they just get a bad rep because of the media?

Voice your opinions on the matter.
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No. Any dog can be trained to fight. It is ALL on how the dog is raised. A pitbull is one of the most friendly dogs there are if they are trained right. A pomeranian can be a vicious attack dog. I know a guy who owns a pitbull and it is a lap dog. It will just jump onto your lap and lick you for 20 minutes. Check out this link. http://www.pitbulls.org/ it will show you just how wrong you are. It may even teach you a thing or two about them. Pitbulls are very loyal and nice dogs if trained right. If neglected and abused, they become mean like they are talked about in the media. Well, the media is shit.




No dog is naturally mean. The media hypes up pitbulls as being mean because they are very strong and energetic. It is because they are strong and energetic that they are used for dog fighting. They can be the nicest and most loyal dogs there are if you train them right. Most people start to train them, but then realize they are stubborn and give up.
 
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I believe that ANY creature can be vicious. I think every animal, including humans, have the CAPACITY to be violent, vicious, cruel. I believe it is hormonal and combined with the amygdila (i think), it is a natural part of being an animal - however, I don't believe that pit bulls are any more inclined to be vicious than any other animal. Pit Bulls are selected by cruel fighters and breeders because of their body type, as are Boxers. They beef up quickly and pack an enormous punch. The dogs are made to act on their baser instincts of fighting for survival because that is all they have ever known. Should they have been adopted by a loving family, their nurturing side would overcome any naturally vicious actions.

The same thing happens to humans every day. Children that are raised by gangs and the streets turn out just like those abused pit bulls. They fight, they kill, they have no regard for human life. Other children, raised in happy and loving homes reflect that loving environment.

Of course, there are creatures of EVERY kind that have hormonal imbalances and mal-functioning neural transmitters that cause them to behave in ways that do not reflect the environment in which they were raised. This can happen with animals, humans, whoever. When they're human, we call these people phyco/sociopaths.
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If (and this is just speculation) a dog is of that kind of build then it's likely that it has evolved in such a way that this body must have some use. In this case, hardwired into the dog's brain would be a natural aggression; that is how it has survived in the past and natural selection has told it that being aggressive is the best way for it to survive.

Of course, your points still stand.
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The Hat of Love wrote:
If (and this is just speculation) a dog is of that kind of build then it's likely that it has evolved in such a way that this body must have some use. In this case, hardwired into the dog's brain would be a natural aggression; that is how it has survived in the past and natural selection has told it that being aggressive is the best way for it to survive.

Of course, your points still stand.


Pitbulls were bred with a bulldog and a pit terrier. Two of the nicest dogs. Pitbulls are not naturally mean. As star said, it is all how they are raised. They think they are lap dogs.

Here is an article that I found called Are Pit Bulls Dangerous?
In a word: no. Many people THINK they are, and if you ask them for proof, they send you lists of bite statistics and news reports of Pit Bull attacks.

But that doesn't prove anything.

Rarely do the writers perform actual research. One obvious question they could investigate: Was the dog actually a Pit Bull? It's impossible to determine breed by appearance alone. And given that the CDC non-fatal bite statistics come from counting newspaper reports of attacks claiming it was a "pit-bull type" dog, there are bound to be gross inaccuracies.

No DNA tests were ever done, which are required to determine breed.

This is highly related to the reason why breed specific legislation doesn't work. And it never will. Even the CDC agrees:

“Breed-specific legislation does not address the fact that a dog of any breed can become dangerous when bred or trained to be aggressive. From a scientific point of view, we are unaware of any formal evaluation of the effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in preventing fatal or nonfatal dog bites. An alternative to breed-specific legislation is to regulate individual dogs and owners on the basis of their behavior” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000 Vet Med Today: Special Report 839-840).

For these reasons, and many others, both the CDC and the American Veterinary Medical Association do not recommend discriminating based on breed.

The frenzy against Pit Bulls is nothing but blind fear fueled by the human need to find a scapegoat. There is not a single shred of proof that the American Pit Bull Terrier is a vicious, dangerous breed.

What are the facts?

The American Temperament Test Societ (http://www.atts.org) perform their temperment tests regularly on popular breeds. You can visit their web site to view upcoming testing dates and location and actually get your own dog tested. The most recent aggregation of all test results was in 2008. Description of the test:

The test simulates a casual walk through a park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.

The dog fails the test if it shows:

Unprovoked aggression
Panic without recovery
Strong avoidance
American Pit Bull Terriers passed the test at a rate of 85.3%.

This is higher than Collies, Golden Retrievers, and other dogs generally considered "family friendly". The average dog population is around 77%.

As most dog behaviorists and trainers will tell you, a dog is almost 100% a product of it's owner and the training it recieves.

And if the APBT is so inherently dangerous, how come they are so successful as therapy dogs? As search and rescue animals?

Honestly, more people die drowning in their backyard swimming pool every year than die from dog attacks. That doesn't make it any less tragic, but to call it an "epidemic" is a little far fetched.

Pit Bulls are not the first breed to be unfarily labeled dangerous, and they won't be the last. Politicians love to act important and pretend like they're doing something, and media outlets love to sensationalize. Don't let them get away with nonsense. Learn the history of the breed and educate yourself.

The only thing that can be said about them is that sometimes, they tend to be dog aggressive. But almost every breed of dog is aggressive toward some other animal. Where did foxhounds and wolfhounds get their names from?
 
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yep it all depends on how the dogs are raised lol. we own a bull mastiff nd he loves everybody even our cats!! lol it depends on the way they are raised nd how they are treated from birth
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i am just going to say one thing- the dog resembles the owner. it doesn't have to be pitbull. even a chuwawa can be dangerous if the owner is dangerous lol
the dog is ok, beware of the owner
 
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I think dogs are trained to be mean. Some are more easily trainable in this regard due to artificial selection but it is still necessary to train meanness.
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exactly lol Pfft dogs ae tained to be mean not naturally mean.
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man those pitbulls are nasty! my cousin owned one and it attacked me and took a big chunk out of my face! my dad and uncle had to pry it off of me. my opinion is they are the worst dog to have.
 
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They aren't naturally mean animals they are just trained to be vicious you can train any animal to be like that as shown by how German Shepherds are the nicest dogs ever but they can be trained to be killers as was the case with germans in WW2
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I have two pitbulls, but the other one is mixed with Lab and she's a fucking sweetheart.

Here's my boy.. He literally turned 5 today xD


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He's sleeping on the side of the couch, sorry for the blur .-.

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This one is a funny looking one, sitting on a bar stool and Yawning.

Pitbulls are not bad at all, it all depends on the owner and how they train their dog. I hate how society thinks all pitbulls are bad.. Fucking assholes.
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I love your pit Coke, beautiful! I want one now :/ It looks like the one my friend has.
 
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