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Debate 21: US Pres Elections
Carnage
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Posted on 11/07/2012 09:49:48
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The Hat of Love wrote:
What's more important to you - businesses doing well or healing the sick? Do you consider letting people who can't afford healthcare suffer/die to be fine?


I think that everyone would love to be able to treat all sick people and have everyone be happy. However, the US is a country where money dictates what gets done, most of the time. So when that is the case, small businesses have to be very well considered simply because they end up paying a lot of the taxes, or hiring employees who pay taxes, that pay for everyone to get state sponsored healthcare. If we let the small businesses fail then we will automatically lose funding for healthcare. So in that sense we need to make sure our economic foundation is strong before we can try and figure out new ways to spend the money. Lately this process has been done in reverse and money is being spent that the country doesn't have and so as a result we are over 16 t-t-t-trillion dollars in the hole. While it's seemingly nice to have the government gives us things such as entitlements etc. we must realize that it's going to bankrupt the country.
So basically we have a choice. We can cut spending aka reduce government programs/jobs/subsidies and then get our debt under control or we can continue at the rate we are going, inflate the dollar until its nearly worthless, and then bankrupt the country which will result in us having no government whatsoever.

Smaller government or eventually no government. You decide 2012



Also note that either candidate is capable (not necessarily willing) of reducing spending as president. They can issue executive orders that can save billions. But this is why I honestly don't care who got elected because I don't think either one would actually reduce spending.
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Now you know why i dont vote. Until the electoral college is declared unconstitutional your vote for president is meaningless. Why waste your time?
 
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It's a fair point. I don't understand some of the finer points with politics. It gets complicated but still, I'm more of a socialist than a capitalist.

This is an interested page, btw. It's from the BBC site so it's nuetral and it's about the candidate's policies. Romney was going to increase spending on the military by $100,000,000,000.

http://www.bbc.co...a-19648670

He was also going 'encourage migrants to "self-deport" by making life hard for them'.

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That's exactly my point Hat. While both candidates are capable of reducing spending neither will do so.

It's sad that in my lifetime I have seen the national debt increase by about 13.5 trillion dollars and basically no presidents since Carter (probably before him even, I didn't look that far back) have lowered the debt.
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My american studies teacher was talking about the election yesterday in class. Said that the Electoral College needed to be changed up a bit, and the class agreed. One problem though, and thats changing it. Do any of you guys know what we need to do to change it?
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Well, if everyone's vote is to be equal then the simplest way is just to use the popular vote to decide outright. That doesn't work in the real world.

When you vote you don't vote for the president, you vote for electors who will then go and (in theory) vote for the president on your state's behalf. This is pointless and an artefact of history.

All states get three votes no matter what and then votes are added depending on the population with the result that citizens in small states have a vote that counts for several times more than those in large states. This is pointless. Just go by population.

At the moment you only have to get a majority in a state to win it and all of its votes. Florida is always very close but even if you win by just a few hundred votes you get all 29 of its votes (see: 2000 election). Wouldn't proportional representation be better?
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Posted on 11/08/2012 07:43:39
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It is by population Hat, just in a funny way. Americans are funny...
 
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It is, but in an unfair and odd manner.
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Yes sir. We, the people, need to do something about it.
 
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